Is China Gaining Ground in Technology Diffusion? A Conversation with Jeffrey Ding

Listen now (46 mins) | This week on Sinica, I chat with Jeffrey Ding, author of Technology and the Rise of Great Powers, a book that argues that a nation's ability to invent foundational technologies matters ultimately less in its overall national power than its ability to diffuse those "general purpose technologies," like electricity, digital technology, the internet, and -- in the age of the Fourth Industrial Revolution -- Artificial Intelligence.  
  
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# Is China Gaining Ground in Technology Diffusion? A Conversation with Jeffrey Ding

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This week on Sinica, I chat with Jeffrey Ding, author of _Technology and the Rise of Great Powers_ , a book that argues that a nation's ability to invent foundational technologies matters ultimately less in its overall national power than its ability to diffuse those "general purpose technologies," like electricity, digital technology, the internet, and -- in the age of the Fourth Industrial Revolution -- Artificial Intelligence. I ask Jeff whether he thinks that China, with its powerful tech companies and its new enthusiasm for open source, may at last be closing what his book identifies as a diffusion deficit.

2:19 - Jeff's argument for the power of diffusion in technological leadership

6:07 - China's diffusion deficit

12:09 - Institutional factors that affect technology diffusion, and how culture can also play a role

19:49 - China's successes in (non-GPT) diffusion

24:29 - China's open source push

29:55 - Discussing He Pengyu's piece on semiconductors

32:19 - How Jeff might tweak his chapter on China in a second edition of _Technology and the Rise of Great Powers_

**Paying It Forward:** Matt Sheehan of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

**Recommendations:**

**Jeff:** The TV series _The Pitt _(2025 - ); and James Islington's _The Will of the Many_

**Kaiser:** The album _Perpetual Change _by Jon Anderson and The Band Geeks; and Steven Wilson's new album, _The Overview_

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