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Listen on YouTube * Apple Podcasts * Spotify * * * | | | | The Context Window with David… --- Deval Patrick is not a "self-… | 0:00| | | | 51:25| | | | ---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--- --- | | Listen now --- # Deval Patrick is not a "self-made" man ### A career that ran from death row to the governor's office, and the mentors who made it possible | | David Deming --- | Jun 17 --- | --- --- | | | --- | | --- | | --- | | --- | | READ IN APP --- > _" Sir, we're all gonna die. I get that. That's not the question here. The question is, was his trial fair?"_ -- Deval Patrick * * * **Deval Patrick** is the up-from-poverty story American politics likes to tell: a boy from a South Side Chicago tenement, two beds for three people, who grew up to govern the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. But in this conversation with Harvard Dean David Deming, he keeps interrupting that story to correct it. His life did not begin with the scholarship to Milton Academy, he insists, but years earlier, with the teachers in crowded, under-equipped Chicago classrooms who decided he was worth the trouble. A lottery ticket, he says, is only as good as what you make of it. Along the way he saved a man ninety minutes from the electric chair, sued Bill Clinton and then went to work for him, became the country's top civil-rights official before forty and the first Black governor of Massachusetts, and ran for president for about fifteen minutes. Holding all of it together is a line his grandmother gave him in that crowded apartment: "We are not poor, we are broke - because broke is temporary." * * * _**Listen on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts**_ * * * I study upward mobility - who gets the chance to move up, and what makes the difference when they do. Deval Patrick is what that research looks like when it works, but not in the way we usually tell the story. We first met when he came back to Harvard to teach at the Kennedy School. But before that, I watched him on a television screen during the Marathon bombing. My kids were small and we were living on Norfolk Street in Cambridge - the street where the bombers grew up. We spent two days on lockdown, narrated by Gov. Patrick. So I knew the public man before I knew the person. He talks about the teachers in his Chicago public schools - the ones who set him up for a lucky break - and he bristles a little when people act like his life started at Milton. There was a dream he had, on and off for four years, that someone from Harvard Admissions would knock on his door and take it all back. And there's a weekend early in his career, on the death-penalty docket, when he helped save a man with ninety minutes to spare. His grandmother more or less gets the last word, as she should. I think you're going to enjoy this one. * * * #### **Chapters** **[0:00:00] Cold open** An Alabama judge, a man ninety minutes from the electric chair, and the question Patrick refused to answer the way it was asked. **[0:00:18] Introduction** David sets up the hour: impostor syndrome, the fear of public speaking he says Patrick turned into great oratory, the absence of moral leadership in politics, a man saved from death row, and why Barack Obama backed a candidate with no money and no name. **[0:01:35] Arriving at Harvard, 1974** Five applications, five acceptances, and a grandmother who screamed with joy, then paused and asked, "Now where is that, anyway?" **[0:03:25] "We are not poor. We are broke."** A two-bedroom tenement shared with the whole family, three to a bed, and the distinction his grandmother would not give up: broke is temporary. **[0:05:30] The teachers before the lucky break** A Better Chance, a flyer Mrs. Weisenberg pulled off a bulletin board the only time in her career, and the sixth-grade teacher who taught them German and took them to their first opera. Why he refuses to say his life began at Milton. **[0:10:05] The impostor 's dream** For four years, the same recurring knock: someone from admissions, terribly sorry, here to help him gather his things so as not to wake his roommates. **[0:11:40] The shy boy who could speak** A required talk, no notes, a room that felt like a stadium, and the standing ovation that surprised him most of all. The English teacher who taught him to hate a lazy word. **[0:14:45] On being a "great orator"** David says it; Patrick won't. The speech coach who loved his speeches and hated the sound of his voice, and the one substitution that would make him happy: just dub in James Earl Jones. **[0:15:30] Peter Gomes, the "Afro Saxon"** The Memorial Church minister with the faintly British accent, the old-school New England manners, and the wicked sense of humor. A lifelong Republican who changed his voter registration to vote for Patrick in the primary, and spoke at his inauguration. **[0:17:40] Faith without sanctimony** How Gomes lived in the world of intrigue and competition and still carried a moral core, and what David thinks universities give up when they won't name one of their own. **[0:21:05] E.O. Wilson 's throwaway line** Deep in a lecture on ant behavior, the biologist pauses: this, he says, is the point where the mystery of faith might actually fit. **[0:21:45] Ninety minutes from the chair** The death-penalty case he did not ask for, a weekend racing an execution date, a head already shaved, and the sworn statement in the prosecutor's own file naming someone else as the killer. **[0:26:40] What government does badly** The carelessness he saw over and over, the people who do the work anyway, and how the same reasoning brings him to his position on abortion. **[0:27:35] Suing Bill Clinton, then working for him** A voting-rights case against a governor named Clinton, a settlement they wrote together, and the call years later to run civil rights at the Justice Department before he was forty. With Lani Guinier, Janet Reno, and Ted Kennedy in the wings. **[0:30:35] The revolving door, defended** Public bureaucracy, private bureaucracy, and why nothing happens if you don't win middle management. The line David keeps: too many leaders want the job but not the work of doing it. **[0:33:15] "You got any money? You got any people?"** Telling an old friend named Barack that he meant to run for governor at two percent name recognition, and the answer he got back: "Well, I'm in. What do you need me to do?" **[0:34:30] Insider versus outsider** Why he thinks that, and not Democrat against Republican, is the real divide in American politics, and what happens when you invite people to set their cynicism down. **[0:36:15] First, and the second that matters more** Doug Wilder's warning about being first, the burden of standing for something, and wanting to be everybody's governor, whether you voted for him or not. **[0:37:35] What he 's proudest of** Near-universal health coverage before Obamacare, a climb out of recession to a twenty-five-year employment high, and the life-sciences bet that is still paying off. **[0:38:45] The Marathon bombing** Two days of lockdown, a memory of the Charles Stuart case, and why he refused to release two grainy photographs until he was sure, and until Air Force One was wheels up. **[0:42:40] Running for president, for fifteen minutes** A plan built for 2018, a cancer diagnosis ten days before the launch, a field that turned good people into cartoon versions of themselves, and why a campaign that bothers to visit Mississippi and Utah needs time nobody gives it. **[0:46:35] Back in the classroom** Returning to Harvard to teach, the grading he came to dread, and the one rule for his students: talk to each other, not about each other. **[0:47:50] Fifty years at Harvard** What has changed since women had only just entered the river houses, and the thing about keeping company with people unlike you that you cannot bottle. **[0:49:40] The country at 250** Service as a tradition to refresh rather than revere, and the repair work he says was never about programs at all. * * * #### **Guest bio** Deval Patrick served two terms as the 71st Governor of Massachusetts (2007-2015), the first Black governor in the state's history and the second Black American elected governor anywhere since Reconstruction. He grew up on the South Side of Chicago and came east through A Better Chance to Milton Academy, then to Harvard College (Class of 1978) and Harvard Law School (Class of 1982). He began his legal career at the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, arguing voting-rights and death-penalty cases across the South, and served as Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights under President Bill Clinton. He later practiced law and held senior executive roles in business before entering elective office, and in 2019 briefly sought the Democratic presidential nomination. He returned to Harvard in 2022 as a Professor of the Practice of Public Leadership at Harvard Kennedy School. He and his wife, Diane, live in Massachusetts. * * * #### **Mentioned in this episode** ##### **People** * Peter J. Gomes -- longtime minister of Harvard's Memorial Church * E. O. Wilson -- biologist, and the "mystery of faith" aside * Bryan Stevenson -- founder of the Equal Justice Initiative, Patrick's early co-counsel * Lani Guinier -- civil-rights scholar, LDF lead counsel, later a Harvard Law professor * Bill Clinton -- sued by Patrick over voting rights, then appointed him Assistant Attorney General * Janet Reno -- Attorney General, Patrick's boss at the Justice Department * Barack Obama -- "Well, I'm in. What do you need me to do?" * Doug Wilder -- first Black American elected governor since Reconstruction; "being first doesn't mean a thing unless there's a second" * James Earl Jones -- the voice Patrick would happily borrow * Maya Angelou -- the line about being remembered for how you made people feel (attribution uncertain; Patrick himself hedges it) ##### **Organizations and institutions** * A Better Chance * Milton Academy * NAACP Legal Defense Fund * The Innocence Project * Equal Justice Initiative * The Memorial Church of Harvard University * Harvard Kennedy School ##### **Moments and ideas** * The Boston Marathon bombing, 2013 * The Charles Stuart case, Boston, 1989 -- the wrongful suspicion that turned a city upside down * Massachusetts health-care reform and the path to near-universal coverage * The death-penalty appeals process ##### **Further reading** * Deval Patrick's memoir, _A Reason to Believe: Lessons from an Improbable Life_ (2011) * * * ##### **Credits** **Host:** David Deming, Danoff Dean of Harvard College **Executive Producer:** Denise Koller **Consulting Producers:** Tim Smith and Jonathan Palumbo **Produced by:** Cabin 3 Media -- Katie Toulmin, Producer; Justin Callahan, Director of Photography / Editor * * * Thanks for reading The Context Window with David Deming! 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